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How the offer, the deposit, and the survey fit together

First-time buyers are often surprised that the money goes down before the survey happens. That order is normal, and the paperwork is what makes it safe.

Offer first then survey, then decide

The order surprises people: you sign a purchase agreement and put down a deposit before the survey happens. The protection isn't the order — it's the contingency clause. The California Yacht Brokers Association's buyer guide puts the whole structure in one sentence: "Your offer must be presented as a signed Purchase Agreement that includes; offer price, deposit amount, trial run and survey deadlines and contingencies that must be satisfied for the transaction to be completed." And their next line is the one to tape to the fridge: "It is very important to get everything in writing."

Where the deposit sits, and when you get it back

The deposit doesn't go to the seller. In a brokered sale it goes into the broker's trust account, and the CYBA guide states the standard directly: the deposit is "fully refundable if your contingencies are not met satisfactorily less any buyer authorized expenses." The agreement names the amount; the contingency clause is what makes it recoverable.

Read the last four words again, because that's the money actually at risk. The survey, the engine survey, and the haul-out are expenses you authorized, and they don't come back when a deal dies. Walking away from a bad boat costs you the inspection money, not the deposit — which is exactly why it pays to know what those inspections cost and to kill weak candidates before the paperwork stage, while asking questions is still free.

When the survey happens

Marine surveyor David Pascoe, whose published advice comes from a career of pre-purchase surveys, is plain about the sequence: schedule the survey "only after you have an accepted, signed offer." The deadlines live in the purchase agreement, which is why they're negotiated up front — the time you'll want for the survey is won in the offer, not scrambled for later.

What "failed the survey" actually means

Everyone says it, and everyone knows what it means. But formally, a pre-purchase survey has no grade. Pascoe describes the job as gaining "as much information on the condition of the boat as possible before you buy it" — a condition report, like a home inspection. You get a list of what's wrong, and then the decision is yours: accept the boat, reopen the price, ask for repairs, or invoke the contingency and take your deposit back. "Failed the survey" is shorthand for a buyer reading the list and choosing the last door. The survey never fails the boat. The buyer declines it.

That's not pedantry — it changes how you read your own survey report. Every used boat's list has items on it. The question is never whether the list is empty. It's whether the list, priced and weighed, still adds up to the boat you offered on.

Negotiate first. Walk when it's a real dog.

Here's the part the horror stories leave out. Pascoe's published advice on a survey that turns up problems: "In most cases, dealing with the problems found in the first boat is the right course of action. The exception is when a boat turns out to be a real dog." His reasoning is the trap every buyer should know about: unless you're shopping very late model boats, the next boat of the same age is likely carrying the same kind of list. Serial walking-away doesn't find the boat with no problems. It finds the same problems with a new deposit down, and another round of inspection money spent.

And the real dog? There's a point where a purchase stops being a purchase and becomes a project, and that has its own guide.

Final acceptance and closing

When the contingencies are satisfied — survey read, sea trial done, anything renegotiated and agreed — the CYBA process ends with the buyer signing Final Acceptance on the purchase agreement, the seller signing off the bill of sale or title, and the keys changing hands. Until Final Acceptance is signed, the contingencies are your protection. After it, the boat is yours, list and all.

What this page is not

It is not legal advice, and purchase agreements vary — by state, by brokerage, by the form used. The one that binds you is the one you sign, so read it before you sign it, and put questions to a maritime attorney or your broker rather than to a website. We haven't brokered anyone's sale and we haven't surveyed anyone's hull. What we build is the homework that comes before all of this — the questions worth asking while asking is still free.

What this is based on

The deal mechanics — the written purchase agreement, the trust account, the refundable deposit, Final Acceptance — from the California Yacht Brokers Association's Buy Smart guide, a brokers' association describing its own process. The survey sequencing, the condition-report framing, and the negotiate-first-walk-on-a-dog advice from marine surveyor David Pascoe's published articles "All About Pre-Purchase Surveys" and "After the Survey". All three opened and quoted directly. Where our sources publish no figure — the customary deposit amount — we've left the number out rather than repeat folklore.

If we've got something wrong, tell us and we'll fix it — support@caniloop.net. A correction from someone who has actually run it is worth more than anything we can write.

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